Entering Into Politics

Us furiousthinkers tend to be a laid back bunch. We write about text messages, how we secretly want to be pimps or whether or not it is ok for dashing young men to ask us out on a date. Of course, some of us are crazy law breakers who should be put behind bars before they kills us all. But for the most part, we take it easy.

Not like all those other bloggers out there who go mental at each other for having the gall to disagree with their opinion. “HOW DARE THOU!” they proclaim loudly through their google provided spot for a blog. It isn’t even a question, more of an outraged expletive. Maybe I’m being too harsh. Maybe I’m just sore that I didn’t get nominated for a bloggie but my wife did and now she leaves print outs of the award site around the hosue- on the coffee table, in the loo, littered all over the shed. Or maybe I am right. I think I am and I challenge you to disagree.

The case in point is the current abortion debate raging in the “Bl0g0sfeAr”. The disillusioned lefty was the first one who raised my attention to it. That lad is good by the way. I like his style. Shout out to you for your name and your banner photo and for your thought through positions. His post was in response to the fascinatingly named Fiona de Londras who thinks we should change the laws here in Ireland. She is a law-talking-girl so we have to listen to her argument intently while nodding our heads as if we understand “precendent” and “evidence” and “impartiality”. I am sure lots of other people have written about this too.

I was talking about this with neuro last night before she went out to stick posters up around the village advertising her nomination and asking people to vote for her and she reminded me of an interesting angle on this. I am a bit of an amateur theologist, as you are aware. Whenever this conversation comes up people want to have an argument that doesn’t bring God into it. I understand this. If you don’t believe God exists, then you can’t let God be a reason for things. Fiona articulated this really well in her post:

I have yet to hear a rational, non-emotional and non-theological argument against legalising abortion in Ireland.

The problem with that is, I have yet to hear a rational, non-emotional non-theological argument against having a theological position on abortion. When people say that I shouldn’t explain my position from theology, they slip almost without noticing, into emotional, irrational and deeply (flawed) theological discussion.

Imagine the scene. Its a pub in Maynooth or the Café Moka down there on the southside that stays open late and neuro, zoomtard and stigmund are entertaining a crowd of wowed agnostics with our witty reflections, profound thoughts and fashionable dress. The topic of abortion comes up and neuro lays out the position for us, since she is the only one who can actually string 2 or 3 thoughts together in a structured way. Hopefully she spends a bit more time explaining herself than she did in her most recent furious thought.

But there are objections. Rightfully so, because she is working off assumptions that aren’t shared by our light-hating friends. But their objections never focus rationally, calmly and coolly on abortion but they take in theodicy and cosmology and Biblical authority and anything else that they don’t understand. Wrapped up in one question.

Fred the Friend: How can you say that! How!? I mean come on! In this day and age! Cooooommme Oooooooooonnnnn! Your God, right, your “gawd” would let a plane crash, yeah? He’d let a plane crash anywhere, yeah? He’d even let a plane crash into a… [moment of dramatic silence] maternity hospital! Where there would be pregnant women [here he would probably say pregmented because he knows how funny I think that is] with foetuses and newly born babies! So your God doesn’t mind abortion!”

To which neuro famously responds: “He does mind abortions. He doesn’t care so much about aerobortions.”

This is why we don’t do politics I guess. One guy who does is rinceoir, who is an evangelical Christian student of politics in Cork. I am sure I met him one day at something. That is cool. Well done rinceoir on learning to write. You are already an example to the rest of the evangelical church in Munster. (Badum-tish)

Could someone convince Liam McDermott to move out of “MySpace” and get himself a blog that doesn’t annoy me so that I can read his genius without having to bang a hammer in my now paper littered shed for 20 minutes to ease the anxiety? It is the funniest blog in Ireland that doesn’t live at antidisinformation.com. Liam is playing a gig to celebrate the finishing of his latest, as yet to the best of my knowledge, untitled EP next week. You should all go. It is at the Voodoo Lounge on the northside of the quays, down there near Smithfield on Tuesday (21st). It is €10 in but that includes the EP. I think he might be calling it “Zoomtard A Little Faster”, or at least I hope he is. Come.

While the plugging is plugging, let me plug this. If any of you feel like getting up early on a Sunday morning, Zoomtard is preaching again at a lectern near you! On February 19th I am going to deliver the sermon at the Presbyterian church in Maynooth. So, if you want to break an adult-lifetime’s habit of enjoying Sunday morning in bed to hear me warp and garble the most complex and frustrating book written in the classical age, then email me and I’ll tell you how to join us. Church is still free, by the way.

Your Correspondent, Lives a simple life, unfettered by complex sweets.

4 Responses to “Entering Into Politics”

  1. Fiona says:

    I never said people shouldn’t have a theological position on abortion (in fact most of us do – even those of us who support abortion) but that theology should play no part in questions of legality. I have the utmost respect for religious ideals and beliefs and faith, I would just rather that they had no part to play in the law-making process.

  2. neuro-praxis says:

    Fiona, all our laws espousing equality historically come from the *biblical* (not secular) belief that all men are equal.

    It’s impossible to keep theology out of law, as *all* law demonstrates.

  3. Rinceoir says:

    Thanks for the plug.

    I don’t think I’m an example to the rest of the Body in Munster though. People should look to the Father first and foremost. In Him we find all our callings and talents.

    I think I learned to write at some point in primary school. The jury is still out on whether I’m able to construct logical and rational arguments for debate. 🙂

  4. zoomtard says:

    No bother. I think you do a fine job or constructing arguments. Compared to me anyway, who just makes off-colour puns.

    I don’t think you can claim to have utmost respect for “religious ideals” and yet not expect them to influence law making. I have no real respect for religious ideals but whenever I am asked for my opinion by the legislating body you can be freaking sure that I let that Father guy Rinceoir talks about guide my response.

    Laws are made by people. All people have a worldview based on metaphysical principles held in faith. Therefore, all law is affected by faith. The question of how to influence it fairly is the issue.

    -Zoomvoter